In 2020, Pastor Caleb Campbell watched Christian nationalism take over large swaths of his congregation in Phoenix, Arizona. He thought about giving up on the church, but over the years, he came to see himself as a missionary to Christian nationalists.

In Episode 3 of our Difficult Conversations series, Caleb shares his journey from skinhead to pastor, and from accusations of demonic influence to restored relationships. Along with Dr. Sheila Heen at Harvard Negotiation Project, he offers a hopeful way to engage with those who hold extreme views.

And you'll also hear Gabriel Salguero of National Latino Evangelical Coalition describe his own encounter with extreme views.

Listen on your favorite podcast app. Show notes here: http://nae.org/christian-nationalism-podcast

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